I’m a fellow traveler, expressed by your three bullet points. by day I am a labor and read Substack in my free time which is quite a bit I work for the upper echelon.
Three years ago I came across Jason Horsley, maybe through Ian MacGilchrist. Anyway, he used the word liminal a lot. I had not heard it before and I related to that term. I’d like to consider myself one some people think I do have a polarity of wackiness that was three years ago now they think differently.
I appreciate your analysis, and I have to say I don't think I'm a LTM 🙂. Which is OK since I've always said I don't want to fit into a category and that includes creative new ones....
I'm less of a trickster, less comfortable with the whole social justice-axes of privilege perspective, more focused on embodiment and rootedness and ecological spirituality. There are others like me, but I'm not sure there's an acronym for us yet, and that's alright with me.
Call me LTM-adjacent...🙂
And thanks for recommending your interview with Deborah Eden Tull! She definitely speaks my language, and I have Luminous Darkness on order.
Far out. I don't even know what to say. my brain is in many many jiggling pieces. YOUR brain is awesome. How on earth did you get one like it??????? Yes, YEs, and yes, to all of it, scattered tho it is now in far flung corners of my house and garden, ricocheting off sunbeams and dust motes, and flying across the computer screen. Apart from Mitch Horowitz I don't recognize ANY of the names named, and not any of the references either. Maybe I am tons tons older than you? a simple girl, really, tho I related to every single thing you wrote and alluded to. If I had met you while tripping on a beach in Bali in 1979 I would have definitely hung out with you. If we'd been at Uni together there would have been lots of walking and talking and sitting in the sun etc. My graduating thesis for that uni (very academic place it was), was called "Dancing in Doorways" and was all about Liminal (that word/concept introduced to me by Victor Tuner, anthropologist's work). My heros were Doris Lessing, Ursula LeGuin and Jung. not much frail and male about me, except the Coloniser part. also the anarchist part (stoutly declared age 15). Definitely share the dis-inclination to accept polarized interpretations. Would love to be part of the gang, walking the plank.
Also, I am genuinely curious: would Russell Brand belong on the map? I'll go back and look again to see if I know more than one name on it!
Cheers, reading this really made my day! Genevieve
most members of this subculture are oriented toward earnest attempts to be respectful toward identity politics, but not entirely convinced that wokeness consistently clears the hurdle of being gestural equality that Power is happy to placate in favor of real equality.
Well, just as the climate crisis, the above statement is just more gaslighting from the power that you describe at the end of it. power must be in the liminal position at this point.
Maybe I’m not understanding your point.
But I begged to differ I don’t have a liminal position between gaslighting and the reality around me. The power is destroying the climate and telling you it’s your breath as well as wellness being any kind of altruistic motive besides divide conquer and confuse.
I have an episode of the Nodes in the Net podcast coming out soon with Brendan Graham Dempsey where we tackle the issue of wokeness and try to find where there might be value in that developmental stage that society is going through. Maybe you’ll enjoy it? Lmk.
My first thought is that your ability to deconstruct propaganda and frame the issue in terms of an oppressed and manipulated populace and a dominator Power is somewhat postmodern and therefore comes from the same place as idpol. It frames the issue in terms of aggressor and victim, gaslighter and gaslit.
And behind it I sense a yearning for fair dealing and dismantling the dominator hierarchy that has its boot on our neck.
That also comes from the same place as “wokeness” ideologically and ideally. The place of deconstructing and pluralistic justice.
The fact that wokeness gets used as a tribal game actually isn’t the fault of the cultural theorists who invented it, it’s a product of the Us vs Them, Good vs Evil, tribalistic mentality that many people around the world (who hold all varieties of ideological positions) are stuck in.
I hope that helps clarify one way it’s possible to believe in the values of wokeness without fully buying in.
Luminous Darkness was amazing. I could hardly believe how lucky I was to get to talk with Eden.
And you’re still very welcome here even if you’re too liminal (uncommitted to a category) to be a liminal trickster mystic, lol. I love your stuff!
I have to comment through the article I’m reading.
Dr. Carl Jung mentioned the shadow that humanity was gonna have to face.
Also the present place of Pluto, in it position is going to extract all the BS and lay it out on the table.
Which is predicted to be painful as we noticed for some if not a lot
I’m a fellow traveler, expressed by your three bullet points. by day I am a labor and read Substack in my free time which is quite a bit I work for the upper echelon.
Three years ago I came across Jason Horsley, maybe through Ian MacGilchrist. Anyway, he used the word liminal a lot. I had not heard it before and I related to that term. I’d like to consider myself one some people think I do have a polarity of wackiness that was three years ago now they think differently.
The word spoke to me immediately too! It was everything I didn’t know I needed, haha. Your wackiness is welcome!
I appreciate your analysis, and I have to say I don't think I'm a LTM 🙂. Which is OK since I've always said I don't want to fit into a category and that includes creative new ones....
I'm less of a trickster, less comfortable with the whole social justice-axes of privilege perspective, more focused on embodiment and rootedness and ecological spirituality. There are others like me, but I'm not sure there's an acronym for us yet, and that's alright with me.
Call me LTM-adjacent...🙂
And thanks for recommending your interview with Deborah Eden Tull! She definitely speaks my language, and I have Luminous Darkness on order.
Far out. I don't even know what to say. my brain is in many many jiggling pieces. YOUR brain is awesome. How on earth did you get one like it??????? Yes, YEs, and yes, to all of it, scattered tho it is now in far flung corners of my house and garden, ricocheting off sunbeams and dust motes, and flying across the computer screen. Apart from Mitch Horowitz I don't recognize ANY of the names named, and not any of the references either. Maybe I am tons tons older than you? a simple girl, really, tho I related to every single thing you wrote and alluded to. If I had met you while tripping on a beach in Bali in 1979 I would have definitely hung out with you. If we'd been at Uni together there would have been lots of walking and talking and sitting in the sun etc. My graduating thesis for that uni (very academic place it was), was called "Dancing in Doorways" and was all about Liminal (that word/concept introduced to me by Victor Tuner, anthropologist's work). My heros were Doris Lessing, Ursula LeGuin and Jung. not much frail and male about me, except the Coloniser part. also the anarchist part (stoutly declared age 15). Definitely share the dis-inclination to accept polarized interpretations. Would love to be part of the gang, walking the plank.
Also, I am genuinely curious: would Russell Brand belong on the map? I'll go back and look again to see if I know more than one name on it!
Cheers, reading this really made my day! Genevieve
Not wellness wokeness
most members of this subculture are oriented toward earnest attempts to be respectful toward identity politics, but not entirely convinced that wokeness consistently clears the hurdle of being gestural equality that Power is happy to placate in favor of real equality.
Well, just as the climate crisis, the above statement is just more gaslighting from the power that you describe at the end of it. power must be in the liminal position at this point.
Maybe I’m not understanding your point.
But I begged to differ I don’t have a liminal position between gaslighting and the reality around me. The power is destroying the climate and telling you it’s your breath as well as wellness being any kind of altruistic motive besides divide conquer and confuse.
I have an episode of the Nodes in the Net podcast coming out soon with Brendan Graham Dempsey where we tackle the issue of wokeness and try to find where there might be value in that developmental stage that society is going through. Maybe you’ll enjoy it? Lmk.
My first thought is that your ability to deconstruct propaganda and frame the issue in terms of an oppressed and manipulated populace and a dominator Power is somewhat postmodern and therefore comes from the same place as idpol. It frames the issue in terms of aggressor and victim, gaslighter and gaslit.
And behind it I sense a yearning for fair dealing and dismantling the dominator hierarchy that has its boot on our neck.
That also comes from the same place as “wokeness” ideologically and ideally. The place of deconstructing and pluralistic justice.
The fact that wokeness gets used as a tribal game actually isn’t the fault of the cultural theorists who invented it, it’s a product of the Us vs Them, Good vs Evil, tribalistic mentality that many people around the world (who hold all varieties of ideological positions) are stuck in.
I hope that helps clarify one way it’s possible to believe in the values of wokeness without fully buying in.
Well, if they give us an inch, we should take a mile